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		<title>By: Kim Albee - The Real Return on Marketing Automation</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kim Albee - The Real Return on Marketing Automation</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 16:24:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Measuring ROI for revenue only leaves out a bigger picture of the benefits of implementing marketing automation.  There are at least 6 capabilities that marketing automation enables that tie directly to the productivity of marketing staff without increased expense.  click the link to read additional thoughts on the real return from marketing automation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Measuring ROI for revenue only leaves out a bigger picture of the benefits of implementing marketing automation.  There are at least 6 capabilities that marketing automation enables that tie directly to the productivity of marketing staff without increased expense.  click the link to read additional thoughts on the real return from marketing automation.</p>
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		<title>By: The benefits of marketing automation &#171;</title>
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		<dc:creator>The benefits of marketing automation &#171;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 20:57:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] a very interesting post on the benefits of marketing automation.  I quote from the excellent post Marketing Automation &#8212; ROI, Efficiency or Revenue [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] a very interesting post on the benefits of marketing automation.  I quote from the excellent post Marketing Automation &#8212; ROI, Efficiency or Revenue [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Jep Castelein</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jep Castelein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Sep 2009 16:32:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jame: fully agree

Kevin: thanks for all the examples. Especially revenue predictability is a big issue for public companies, which is often more important than maximizing the quarter&#039;s revenue. So very good point. 
Generally, I think there is a difference between the self-reported motivator for adopting marketing automation, and the real underlying reason. Take for example &quot;CEO wants more reporting&quot;: why does he want that? Probably because he thinks marketing is not accountable enough while spending a lot of money. Constantly referring to revenue may be simplistic, but it is what the C-suite AND the shareholders are most concerned about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jame: fully agree</p>
<p>Kevin: thanks for all the examples. Especially revenue predictability is a big issue for public companies, which is often more important than maximizing the quarter&#8217;s revenue. So very good point.<br />
Generally, I think there is a difference between the self-reported motivator for adopting marketing automation, and the real underlying reason. Take for example &#8220;CEO wants more reporting&#8221;: why does he want that? Probably because he thinks marketing is not accountable enough while spending a lot of money. Constantly referring to revenue may be simplistic, but it is what the C-suite AND the shareholders are most concerned about.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Joyce</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin Joyce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 15:58:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Jep,
I think you may be over-reaching on this one. There are 4 primary reasons to deploy any new technology:
(1) Increase productivity
(2) Automate a process which can in turn lead to greater efficiencies, lower costs, etc
(3) Implement some new process, achieve something you could not do by manual processes.
(4) Regulations (government, or perhaps CEO mandate)

From these 4 primary reasons for deploying any new technology you can reach for the effectiveness and efficiency gains, which lead you to productivity gains, and in turn to lower costs, increased revenues, increased competitiveness, perhaps just the ability to tread water at lower costs (no increase in revenues), etc. Trying to make a broad statement for all industries, and for firms of all sizes, that marketing automation leads to increased revenues is reaching over all the direct gains to a conclusion that may not be the primary motivator for many! Examples I have heard:
We want to leverage embedded best practices
Marketing wants more control of their output
We want to improve our market quality
We want to be able to validate our spending
We want to improve our data quality
We have been mandated to do more reporting by the CEO
We need to monitor the effectiveness of our channel
We want to nurture leads to readiness faster
We want more predictability in our business
-Kevin
p.s. and we want more revenue</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jep,<br />
I think you may be over-reaching on this one. There are 4 primary reasons to deploy any new technology:<br />
(1) Increase productivity<br />
(2) Automate a process which can in turn lead to greater efficiencies, lower costs, etc<br />
(3) Implement some new process, achieve something you could not do by manual processes.<br />
(4) Regulations (government, or perhaps CEO mandate)</p>
<p>From these 4 primary reasons for deploying any new technology you can reach for the effectiveness and efficiency gains, which lead you to productivity gains, and in turn to lower costs, increased revenues, increased competitiveness, perhaps just the ability to tread water at lower costs (no increase in revenues), etc. Trying to make a broad statement for all industries, and for firms of all sizes, that marketing automation leads to increased revenues is reaching over all the direct gains to a conclusion that may not be the primary motivator for many! Examples I have heard:<br />
We want to leverage embedded best practices<br />
Marketing wants more control of their output<br />
We want to improve our market quality<br />
We want to be able to validate our spending<br />
We want to improve our data quality<br />
We have been mandated to do more reporting by the CEO<br />
We need to monitor the effectiveness of our channel<br />
We want to nurture leads to readiness faster<br />
We want more predictability in our business<br />
-Kevin<br />
p.s. and we want more revenue</p>
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		<title>By: 9 Marketing Automation Metrics &#124; LeadSloth on Demand Generation</title>
		<link>http://www.leadsloth.com/blog/marketing-automation-roi-efficiency-or-revenue/comment-page-1/#comment-524</link>
		<dc:creator>9 Marketing Automation Metrics &#124; LeadSloth on Demand Generation</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 03:41:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Automation is a tool. It&#8217;s supposed to improve business results. In my previous post, I suggested to look only at increased revenue to measure success of Marketing Automation. These [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Automation is a tool. It&#8217;s supposed to improve business results. In my previous post, I suggested to look only at increased revenue to measure success of Marketing Automation. These [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Jame</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jame</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 16:51:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jep:

I am with you on using increased revenue as the metric.  1.  Marketing departments are being forced to be accountable for more of the bottom line, instead of acting as a cost center.  Efficiency gains allow marketers to reallocate time towards effective programs &gt; driving more revenue.  

Honestly, I think, at least in terms of the marketing department, most organizations don&#039;t care about efficiency if there is enough revenue coming in, and they are maximizing their marketing spend.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jep:</p>
<p>I am with you on using increased revenue as the metric.  1.  Marketing departments are being forced to be accountable for more of the bottom line, instead of acting as a cost center.  Efficiency gains allow marketers to reallocate time towards effective programs &gt; driving more revenue.  </p>
<p>Honestly, I think, at least in terms of the marketing department, most organizations don&#8217;t care about efficiency if there is enough revenue coming in, and they are maximizing their marketing spend.</p>
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		<title>By: Jep Castelein</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jep Castelein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 17:52:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a great discussion, thanks for your comments!

David: totally agree ROI is what it&#039;s all about (see also the title of this post). My point is: when looking at increasing ROI, do you focus on reducing cost or increasing revenue? My suggestion is to forget about cost savings and focus your Marketing Automation initiative exclusively on increasing sales. 

James: the problem I have with a focus on cost-savings is that it positions Marketing (Operations) as a cost-center. I&#039;m making the case for seeing Marketing Ops as a revenue center. But let me soften my own B&amp;W statement: saving costs is always good, but when trying to justify a MA investment I would focus less on cost savings than on revenue. 

Dale: let me see if I can find the source of this statement</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a great discussion, thanks for your comments!</p>
<p>David: totally agree ROI is what it&#8217;s all about (see also the title of this post). My point is: when looking at increasing ROI, do you focus on reducing cost or increasing revenue? My suggestion is to forget about cost savings and focus your Marketing Automation initiative exclusively on increasing sales. </p>
<p>James: the problem I have with a focus on cost-savings is that it positions Marketing (Operations) as a cost-center. I&#8217;m making the case for seeing Marketing Ops as a revenue center. But let me soften my own B&#038;W statement: saving costs is always good, but when trying to justify a MA investment I would focus less on cost savings than on revenue. </p>
<p>Dale: let me see if I can find the source of this statement</p>
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		<title>By: Dale Underwood</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dale Underwood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 22:34:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would generalize your statement to say that the only metric that matters for _any_ marketing related effort is increased revenue.

I, too, would like to see this report: &quot;There are statistics that more sales people make their target if marketing automation does a good job nurturing and qualifying leads (I couldn’t find the source, if you know who published this research, please leave a comment).&quot;

Dale - EchoQuote</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would generalize your statement to say that the only metric that matters for _any_ marketing related effort is increased revenue.</p>
<p>I, too, would like to see this report: &#8220;There are statistics that more sales people make their target if marketing automation does a good job nurturing and qualifying leads (I couldn’t find the source, if you know who published this research, please leave a comment).&#8221;</p>
<p>Dale &#8211; EchoQuote</p>
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		<title>By: James David</title>
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		<dc:creator>James David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 20:16:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Jeff:

With all my respect I completely don&#039;t agree with you. If the revenue would have been single point of measuring the Marketing Automation then then entire domain Marketing Operation would have never existed. They would have been extinct dinosors.

What I would like to bring is certain scenario where I see instead of generating revenue effectiveness in the marketing process which is one of the major objective of any Marketing Automation. 

Doesn&#039;t using improved marketing process lessen the marketing budget on agencies, or campaigns? Can&#039;t these money be then redirected to other campaigns which could not have taken due to budgetory constraint?
How can the investment cost on Marketing Automation measured based on a single year, shouldn&#039;t we use TCO on Marketing Automation over three years compare to no Marketing Automation.

I hope my thoughts are not radical to other thoughts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jeff:</p>
<p>With all my respect I completely don&#8217;t agree with you. If the revenue would have been single point of measuring the Marketing Automation then then entire domain Marketing Operation would have never existed. They would have been extinct dinosors.</p>
<p>What I would like to bring is certain scenario where I see instead of generating revenue effectiveness in the marketing process which is one of the major objective of any Marketing Automation. </p>
<p>Doesn&#8217;t using improved marketing process lessen the marketing budget on agencies, or campaigns? Can&#8217;t these money be then redirected to other campaigns which could not have taken due to budgetory constraint?<br />
How can the investment cost on Marketing Automation measured based on a single year, shouldn&#8217;t we use TCO on Marketing Automation over three years compare to no Marketing Automation.</p>
<p>I hope my thoughts are not radical to other thoughts.</p>
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		<title>By: David Raab</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Raab</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 17:38:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can always increase revenue -- all I need to do is increase spending.  If you must choose a single metric, it should be ROI.  

But, in practice, you need a lot of different metrics to understand what&#039;s happening and where the opportunities lie.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can always increase revenue &#8212; all I need to do is increase spending.  If you must choose a single metric, it should be ROI.  </p>
<p>But, in practice, you need a lot of different metrics to understand what&#8217;s happening and where the opportunities lie.</p>
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